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Herxheimer reaction 04 Dec 2016 06:25 #54091

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Hello Everyone
I am new to MMS and have one question.
I have purchased my supplies and the MMS Health Recovery Manual (Pre-Release #2) (2015) (Ebook) and will be ready to commence very soon as I have a few commitments to get out of the way first. Prior to starting I will be using the teeth brushing and spray bottle techniques as documented in the manual to get up to speed with handling/mixing etc.
Can I expect the Herxheimer reaction from these to proceedures above ?
If yes, I suspect I would just half the dose as documented in all other protocols and move on.

Thank you for your help

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Herxheimer reaction 04 Dec 2016 16:33 #54096

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Nope you won't have a herx with either of those 2 uses.

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1 drop of MMS (at 24 drops per ml) contains 6.7mg (6700ppm) of CLO2
Every ml of CDH contains 1 drop of MMS
Therefore, 1 drop of MMS = 1ml of CDH
The main difference is that the drop of MMS is only 7 to 10% activated in the cup before being consumed while CDH made with 4% HCl is about 50% activated in the bottle. This is why CDH is far less nauseating than MMS drops.

Herxheimer reaction 07 Dec 2016 07:29 #54120

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Hello again, and thanks Truthquester for the reply.

Well it appears that I have been introduced to Mr Herxheimer after all, but first a little history.
I am male 54 yr old, slim, fit and active.
Have suffered Ulcerative colitis for 8 years which has been somewhat dormant for 4 years but has never left my side although its currently now steering my life for me.
Have suffered atrial fibrillation for 16 years, I’ve had 5 radio frequency catheter ablations or pulmonary vein isolation (PVI) as they are called currently, all fruitless.
Drugs for AF have no effect whatsoever and I have a thick light coating on my tongue that nothing will remove.
So after 7 days of brushing my teeth and gums thoroughly, gargling as well to get some experience at mixing/handling etc, my tongue is now squeaky clean which is a very encouraging sign.
I am also applying the spray bottle technique to a dark spot on the base of my neck and another spot to my upper abdomen to see what may happen, all as per the formulas in the Health Recovery Manual, both of these processes performed morning and night for the full 7 days.
On the eighth day bang, very severe pain throughout the abdomen, also a not quite egg size lump like a blockage on the right hand side of the lower abdomen, thankfully gone now, vomiting, constipation, then diarrhea, chills, known joint pain much worse than ever before not to mention all the new pains throughout the body, including burning through the kidneys, peripheral vision very poor and body very weak, oddly enough no headache.
I’m not going to sugar coat it the pain was horrendous, I’ve had kidney stones twice before, the last was 2 months ago and the pain was right up there with them. My son can confirm this as he found me curled up and almost screaming from the pain.
This continued for 18 or so hours then the intensity began to fade. It is now 3 days after the incident and the pain through my abomen is still quite bad and penetrating through to my spine then spreading across the lower back to all of that kidney area on both sides and still have the chills, the pain is not constant but that surging gastro type of effect.
Needles to say I havent taken MMS since the morning of the incident and did take VIT C during the worst of it, I have come prepared. I normally suffer AF once a week or so for 10 to 12 hours, sometimes more but my heart has been in a AFIB virtually constantly since the episode which has made it all the more difficult although it has ceased as I am writing this, It appears my insides are in complete chaos.


Anyway, I am giving myself a 7 day rest from any MMS to try to get as close as possible to my usual poor health Ha Ha. I intend to then commence the starting protocol and work my way up as indicated although this time I think I will use the HCI as it may be more suitable to my UC difficulties. I will endeavour to update any worthy progress over the coming month.


I dont think I am seeking any advice unless something is obviously wrong, maybe just venting to others who understand my predicaments.
My family are very supportive also.


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Herxheimer reaction 07 Dec 2016 08:42 #54121

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The ulcerative colitis aka epstein barr virus probably had your intestine tack wielded together and when it broke out it probably release infection. Get some antibiotics. I had the same thing happened. You normally get bad flu symptoms and have Mersey come out the other end. You may want to get it cleaned out.

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Herxheimer reaction 08 Dec 2016 15:07 #54138

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Hi Olaf the Black,
I'm very confused about the time-line of events that you just described. I'll explain below and maybe you can clear up my confusion.

On the 4th of December (by my computer's clock) you had asked about whether or not brushing your teeth and spraying MMS on yourself would cause a Herxheimer reaction and on that same day I replied and said no it wouldn't. By the way when you asked you said that you, "will be" doing the above, which of course means you hadn't started yet, as of the 4th of December when you wrote.

Then 3 days later, on the 7th of December you write that you have had a Herxheimer reaction on the 8th day which lasted for about 18 hours during which time you were in excruciating pain, almost as bad as having a kidney stone. Then you said, "now 3 days after the incident". Here's what you actually wrote:

"On the eighth day bang, very severe pain throughout the abdomen, also a not quite egg size lump like a blockage on the right hand side of the lower abdomen, thankfully gone now, vomiting, constipation, then diarrhea, chills, known joint pain much worse than ever before not to mention all the new pains throughout the body, including burning through the kidneys, peripheral vision very poor and body very weak, oddly enough no headache.
I’m not going to sugar coat it the pain was horrendous, I’ve had kidney stones twice before, the last was 2 months ago and the pain was right up there with them. My son can confirm this as he found me curled up and almost screaming from the pain.
This continued for 18 or so hours then the intensity began to fade. It is now 3 days after the incident and the pain through my abomen is still quite bad and penetrating through to my spine then spreading across the lower back to all of that kidney area on both sides and still have the chills, the pain is not constant but that surging gastro type of effect."

So even assuming you actually started brushing your teeth and spraying MMS on yourself on the 4th of December, if we add 8 days, plus 1 day, plus 3 days for a total of 12 days later, that would put today's date as being 4 + 12 = the 16th! But today is only the 7th. Very confusing. Can you explain where all the days came from?

Sincerely confused,
Scott
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I'm the creator of CDH with the help of CLO2 (Charlotte Lackney)
1 drop of MMS (at 24 drops per ml) contains 6.7mg (6700ppm) of CLO2
Every ml of CDH contains 1 drop of MMS
Therefore, 1 drop of MMS = 1ml of CDH
The main difference is that the drop of MMS is only 7 to 10% activated in the cup before being consumed while CDH made with 4% HCl is about 50% activated in the bottle. This is why CDH is far less nauseating than MMS drops.

Herxheimer reaction 09 Dec 2016 01:30 #54173

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Hello again Truthquester
My apologies for the confusion, of course I should have stated "I am" and not "I will". Not actually sure what I was thinking I was writing at the time.
Please disregard my grammar, maybe I was just focusing on the Herx element too much at that minute. The second correspondence is accurate , give or take a day.I started brushing and spraying from memory on the 27th Nov, trouble began sunday 4th in the evening hitting its peak on the monday. Would appear I've just had some bad luck with this event as Eliminator's proposal seems quite feasable. Explains Why the vitamin c had no impact on my problem too.
Please don't interpret my inexperience with MMS as any kind of criticism of the process, it was not intended to be.
As you can see I have some health difficulties I wish to overcome and many curiosity's yet to be answered, let alone just busting to get started.
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Herxheimer reaction 09 Dec 2016 02:44 #54175

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Okay Olaf the Black,

Then based on your incredibly strong negative reaction to just those 2 protocols, you are by far the most sensitive person to sodium chlorite the world has ever known and you should therefore, absolutely NOT ingest MMS as even a small amount might kill you.

May you be well,
Scott

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1 drop of MMS (at 24 drops per ml) contains 6.7mg (6700ppm) of CLO2
Every ml of CDH contains 1 drop of MMS
Therefore, 1 drop of MMS = 1ml of CDH
The main difference is that the drop of MMS is only 7 to 10% activated in the cup before being consumed while CDH made with 4% HCl is about 50% activated in the bottle. This is why CDH is far less nauseating than MMS drops.

Herxheimer reaction 09 Dec 2016 03:53 #54178

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I'm sorry, I'm at a disadvantage here, is this humor ?

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Herxheimer reaction 09 Dec 2016 07:29 #54180

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Hi Olaf the Black,

No I'm serious because of your description of your experience with even non-internal use of MMS; for example you said:

"On the eighth day bang, very severe pain throughout the abdomen, also a not quite egg size lump like a blockage on the right hand side of the lower abdomen, thankfully gone now, vomiting, constipation, then diarrhea, chills, known joint pain much worse than ever before not to mention all the new pains throughout the body, including burning through the kidneys, peripheral vision very poor and body very weak, oddly enough no headache.
I’m not going to sugar coat it the pain was horrendous, I’ve had kidney stones twice before, the last was 2 months ago and the pain was right up there with them. My son can confirm this as he found me curled up and almost screaming from the pain.
This continued for 18 or so hours then the intensity began to fade.

Nobody has ever experienced anything near to what you have described here and again, this was with only external and oral use. I'm afraid actually ingesting MMS could really kill you. You must have had some sort of as yet unknown allergic reaction to it. So please, for your sake, don't take it again. After what you went through, I can't imagine that you would really even consider ingesting it, would you? I myself can't even imagine going through 18 hours of intense kidney stone-like pain.

So no, I'm not joking - for your own sake, please don't ingest it!

Scott

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1 drop of MMS (at 24 drops per ml) contains 6.7mg (6700ppm) of CLO2
Every ml of CDH contains 1 drop of MMS
Therefore, 1 drop of MMS = 1ml of CDH
The main difference is that the drop of MMS is only 7 to 10% activated in the cup before being consumed while CDH made with 4% HCl is about 50% activated in the bottle. This is why CDH is far less nauseating than MMS drops.
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