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TOPIC: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation?

What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 25 Mar 2011 23:32 #1851

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does someone have a complete balanced chemical equation of the reaction of sodium chlorite with citric acid.

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Re: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 26 Mar 2011 23:07 #1872

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Zac, Dr. Hesselink is the one doing a lot of chemistry work. Here are some links to his work:

bioredox.mysite.com/LECThome.htm Hesselink’s chemistry pages
mmsmedicalresearch.com/ more chemistry links
www.malariainitiative.com/about-us/

I don't know if he has worked out the specific question you have, but it may be on his site in that top link somewhere.

Michael
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Re: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 27 Mar 2011 04:41 #1876

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There isn't such thing as a balanced equation of a reaction. It is reacting because it isn't balance. Sodium chlorite is stable at a pH of 13. The chemical formula is NaClO2. When the pH is brought down to about 9 it begins to become unstable and the chemical begins to come apart and the Na (sodium) begins to separate from the Chlorine dioxide (ClO2). As the pH is reduced in number (goes downward from 9) the sodium chlorite becomes more and more unstable and thus coming apart faster (releasing chlorine dioxide that has been a part of the chemical sodium chlorite.) At pH of 4 it releases chlorine dioxide very fast and at pH 2 a little faster, but it reaches a point where it doesn't go any faster and thus takes a given amount of time to releases all the chlorine dioxide, or another way of looking at it, it takes a while to complete come apart so that the sodium is no longer binding any of the chlorine dioxide.

The sodium binds the chlorine dioxide at a pH of 13 and it is stable and balanced for years at that pH. As the pH reduces the chemical bond loses its charge. The charge drains off as the pH decreases towards an acid condition. The more the charge that has been binding the sodium to the chlorite drains away the faster the bond is lost. As the pH reduces towards a stronger and stronger acidic condition it conducts electricity better and better causing the charge to be lost faster and faster.

Hope this helps.

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Re: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 27 Mar 2011 06:10 #1877

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This doesn't sound right to me ?

Balancing a reaction of chemicals in an equation is simple chemistry.

Punch in Chemical Equation to Wikipedia and have a read -

A chemical equation consists of the chemical formulas of the reactants (the starting substances) and the chemical formula of the products (substances formed in the chemical reaction)

The law of conservation of mass dictates the quantity of each element does not change in a chemical reaction. Thus, each side of the chemical equation must represent the same quantity of any particular element. Similarly, the charge is conserved in a chemical reaction. Therefore, the same charge must be present on both sides of the balanced equation.

Where Jim has written The charge drains off as the pH decreases towards an acid condition goes against the law that energy/mass cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, and changed into different types of particles. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.

There must be a way to write the balanced equation to get the ClO2 from the reaction of Sodium Chlorite and the Citric Acid or you dont get Cl02 as a product of that reaction.

When I use an online chemical equation calculator you get these results
NaClO2 + C6H8O7 = CO2 + H2O3 + NaCl
NaClO2 + C6H8O7 = CO2 + H2O + NaCl
NaClO2 + C6H8O7 = C6H5Na3O7 + HClO2

or a balanced one

17 NaClO2 + 2 C6H8O7 ==> 12 CO2 + 17 NaCl + 8 H2O3

None of which produce the Cl02


More -

Chlorine dioxide was first produced in 1814 by reacting sulphuric acid with potassium chlorate.
Today, a large number of reaction methodologies are used to produce chlorine dioxide, but these generally involve the reaction of a chlorate (ClO3-) or chlorite (ClO2-) salt with an acid, sometimes in the presence of a Chlorine Donor.
Some typical reaction methodologies for chlorine dioxide generation are shown below. Each approach has advantages and disadvantages depending upon the volume of ClO2 to be produced, practicality and safety considerations.

5NaClO2 + 4 HCl = 4ClO2 + 5NaCl + 2H2O
2NaClO2 + Cl2 = 2ClO2 + 2NaCl
2 NaClO2 + Na2S2O8 = 2ClO2 + 2Na2SO4

These three are all balanced equations

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Re: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 27 Mar 2011 18:49 #1892

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hi to everyone who is interested in this thread:these posts are the ongoing conversation we are having between Jim,Kite and myself.i thought it best to put them up for all to see,hoping to come up with an answer through this inquiry.

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You are right. I wasn't thinking it clearly to explain it clearly.
I never consider people are taking up my time.

If you guys get this figured out, please let me know. I am not good with formulas.

However, the electrical charge has to discharge. Any electrical charge between to things that are stuck together must be discharged before the items will come apart. For example, in high school chemistry when two foam balls were charged one with negative and the other with positive they would stick together because unlike charges attract. Then if you spray a very lite water mist on them they discharge against one another. They lose their charge. The conservation of energy, I suppose is explained in that the energy is equal. Just the same, the charge must neutralize in order for the foam balls to come apart. I assume that the same reaction is taking place between the sodium and the chlorine dioxide. As you change the pH by adding an acid you are creating a conductive environment allowing the electrical charge to equalize between the to items which in turn allows them to come apart either faster or slower depending upon the amount of acid added.

I have been working with electrical charges in aqueous solutions for 40 years. I assure you that as you add acid to any solution it becomes more and more conductive.

However, the entire chemical reaction that happens with chlorine dioxide has never been completely explained by chemical science and if you get into it really deep you will find that is a fact. They are still admitting that all the reaction is not completely explained yet. A number of chemists have explained it in different ways, however there are not a great many chlorine dioxide chemists.

If you guys get the formula all figured out, please let me know. I would like to have that available.

With love,
Bishop Jim

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Re: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 02 Apr 2011 00:27 #1994

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MMS plus Citric is

3 NaClO2 + -2 C6H8O7 = 16 ClO2 + -16 HClO + -12 CO2 + 3 NaCl


MMS plus HCl is

5NaClO2 + 4HCl → 4ClO2 + 2H2O + 5NaCl

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Re: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 02 Apr 2011 03:00 #1996

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5NaClO2 + 4HCl → 4ClO2 + 2H2O + 5NaCl



zac if you plug the citric acid into this you will see that it is just a matter of getting the charges on each side of the equation to balance out. citric acid with all its carboxyl groups will yield more water than with the hcl because citric is just carbon c , hydrogen h and oxygen o atoms so it would be something like this



NaClo2 + C6H8O7 === ClO2 + H2O + NaCl



it will just be a matter of how many of each on each side to have an equal charge.

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Re: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 02 Apr 2011 23:37 #2005

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I am sorry if this is creating confusion,but Dr Ron has sent me further update on this equation:-

ok zac here it is... most likely we get the chlorine dioxide molecule as part of the chlorous acid and also sodium citrate. this one really does balance and you will not be able to get wikipedia to scoff at this one

mms plus citric equals chlorous acid plus sodium citrate

3 NaClO2 + C6H8O7 = 3 HClO2 + C6H5Na3O7

mms plus HCl equals chlorine dioxide plus salt plus water

5 NaClO2 + 4 HCl = 4 ClO2 + 5 NaCl + 2 H2O

both chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid are very oxidative

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Re: What is chemical equation for MMS1 activation? 03 Apr 2011 22:46 #2024

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Ok folks I have been working on this for some time now and everyone wants to know what is occuring well what we have found is that when sodium chlorite is activated with mms there are at least two possible reactions with the sodium chlorite part of the solution and also more for the sodium chlorate portion.

We get 2 reactions, one of which is more stable than the other.

The most stable balanced reactions is

15 NaClO2 + 4 C6H8O7 = 12 ClO2 + 4 C6H5Na3O7 + 3 NaCl + 6 H2O

sodium chlorite plus citric acid produce chlorine dioxide plus sodium citrate plus salt plus water

Another balanced reaction but more unstable is

3 NaClO2 + C6H8O7 = 3 HClO2 + C6H5Na3O7

mms plus citric equals chlorous acid plus sodium citrate

Chlorous Acid is chlorine dioxide with a Hydrogen atom attached


Both chlorine dioxide and chlorous acid are very oxidative. The question becomes how much of each reaction do we get. Either way both oxidative products are helpful to produce the benefits we see, hear and experience.


Another balanced reaction to activate mms is with HCl

5 NaClO2 + 4 HCl = 4 ClO2 + 5 NaCl + 2 H2O

mms plus HCl equals chlorine dioxide plus salt plus water


We have the balanced equations of what happens when we add citric and mms or hcl and mms

Many blessings dr ron

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