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13 Jan 2018 12:40 #57293 by Garuth
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Greetings, I have just joined. I have bought the Handbook and we are following Protocol 1000 Plus with our 11yr old Westie who is coughing regularly from a growth in her lung. Is anyone else dosing a dog and having any luck? She is coughing more instead of less and I could use some more info to make sure we are on the right track.

1. We are using filtered water as we could not find distilled in the UK.
2. We are mixing the MMS and activator (10 drops of each) and only waiting 30 seconds before adding the 4 ounces of water.
3. We add 30 drops of DMSO asap after adding the water.
4. We draw up 4ml of the mixture and put this down on a saucer with a tiny bit of chicken in the middle of the puddle of mixture and she laps it up.
5. We are now dosing her 8-10 times a day.
6. On days when she is away from home and hourly dosing is not possible we have her on a maintenance dose of a tablespoon of mixture onto her food in the evening just to keep the MMS in her system.
7. Before we started the hourly dosing we did the starting procedure with her.
8. Her tolerance of MMS has been good and she seems to like taking it. The morsel of chicken helps.
9. The cough is very rattling and sounds like it is full of phlegm but nothing comes up or if it does loosen anything she swallows it so I can't tell if it is loosening anything or not. Now her breathing has a sort of snoring rumbling sound.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Gar (Lancaster, UK)

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13 Jan 2018 21:50 #57301 by CLO2
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From what you describe it seems you are making a 120 ml solution of MMS1 + DMSO and using about 40 ml a day. The mixture would last 3 days.

DMSO should be added to each individual dose as it will reduce CLO2 in MMS1 after a short time. Don't add it to a stock solution of MMS1.

MMS1 will probably not be effective after one day. Better to use CDH or CDS and add DMSO to each 4 ml dose.

Distilled water is used to top off lead acid batteries, so you might find it by inquiring at an auto parts store.

2 ml of 3000 ppm original CDS equals a 1 drop MMS1 dose in a normal stomach
www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/mms1_equates_to_cdh_and_cds.pdf
Websites: MMSinfo.org * www.facebook.com/groups/ebolacures/
YouTube Instructional Videos: www.youtube.com/channel/UCXv6hCnvjMmGg4_AYq4wlNw
Answers to many questions are in Jim Humble's books: jhbooks.org/
How to use CDS, CDH in Protocols: www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/CDS_CDH_and_Protocols-2.pdf
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13 Jan 2018 22:30 #57303 by Garuth
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Hi CLO2,
Thanks for the quick response. I am making up each individual dose - 10 drops of MMS + 10 drops of activator (waiting 30 seconds) adding 4 ounces of water, adding 30 drops of DSMO and serving it right away. I do this again for a total of 8 times a day. So I'm not making up a large mixture and using it over a few days. I understand the importance of mixing each dose fresh hourly.

Given that we are doing the above, would you still recommend CDH or CDS over MMS? The Handbook describes using MMS in detail so that is what I am using. If you would recommend CDH or CDS is the site mmswiki.is the most up to date source of information on its preparation and handing? It does sound like a pre-made mixture would be easier to use and keep in the fridge.

Yes I did get some water for batteries from the car shop which I will now use, so thanks for that advice.
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Gar

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13 Jan 2018 23:24 #57304 by CLO2
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When you make 120 ml of MMS1 + DMSO, you only use 4 ml and throw the rest away? I know that is what is done when following the Starting Procedure, but you don't need to do that when following P1000 Plus. Jim says hourly doses made fresh are best, but for years people used a daily bottle of MMS1 and it seemed to work.

Try making CDH (really easy) and see how that works. You could add 1 drop of DMSO to each dose.

Your dosing now is about 1/3 drop of MMS1 when you use 4 ml out of 120 ml. If you use CDH, 1/3 ml would equate to 1/3 drop of MMS1.

2 ml of 3000 ppm original CDS equals a 1 drop MMS1 dose in a normal stomach
www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/mms1_equates_to_cdh_and_cds.pdf
Websites: MMSinfo.org * www.facebook.com/groups/ebolacures/
YouTube Instructional Videos: www.youtube.com/channel/UCXv6hCnvjMmGg4_AYq4wlNw
Answers to many questions are in Jim Humble's books: jhbooks.org/
How to use CDS, CDH in Protocols: www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/CDS_CDH_and_Protocols-2.pdf
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14 Jan 2018 12:38 #57315 by Garuth
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Thank you CLO2,
I've now made up a bottle of CDH and set it aside until tomorrow to use. You said I could add 1 drop of DMSO to each dose. How much and when do I add the DMSO? Do I put it into the bottle or into the dose I take out of the bottle?

For the doses I start tomorrow, you said to take 1/3ml. So I only draw up 1/3ml in a syringe out of the bottle of CDH... is that correct? This is such a small amount of liquid I would need to give it to the dog directly into her mouth, right?

Is there a way to use the CDH for a small dog in her water bowl?
Thank you for your efforts with me while I get this dosing correct.
Gar

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14 Jan 2018 22:00 - 14 Jan 2018 22:00 #57317 by CLO2
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You should add DMSO to each dose as it will slowly reduce CLO2. If you add it to the bottle of CDH, it may kill all the CLO2 in the bottle!

One third milliliter is about the same as a 1/3 drop of MMS which is what you have been dosing. Yes, that is a small amount, but do mix it with some water as it could bother your dog since it is strong from the bottle. Perhaps use 10 ml total, CDH + water + 1 drop DMSO. You can mix all of those in a small glass or shot glass, then suction up into the syringe and squirt it into her mouth. You could add that to her water dish, but I think it will be more effective if you use the syringe into her mouth. If 10 ml is too much for her, give some of the 10 ml and a few minutes later, the rest. You can decide what will work.

Let us know how that works for you.

2 ml of 3000 ppm original CDS equals a 1 drop MMS1 dose in a normal stomach
www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/mms1_equates_to_cdh_and_cds.pdf
Websites: MMSinfo.org * www.facebook.com/groups/ebolacures/
YouTube Instructional Videos: www.youtube.com/channel/UCXv6hCnvjMmGg4_AYq4wlNw
Answers to many questions are in Jim Humble's books: jhbooks.org/
How to use CDS, CDH in Protocols: www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/CDS_CDH_and_Protocols-2.pdf
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07 Feb 2018 23:18 #57532 by Garuth
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Hi CL02
My friend with the Westie has continued with the drops of MMS1 and DMSO part of the week and she is doing a maintenance dose the rest of the week. Mollie is happy in herself and the vet was pleased with her skin and coat. We printed out information for the vet about MMS and the protocol Mollie was on and the vet was very open to it which was good. She still has the cough about 20 times a day and it continues to progress, becoming more ferocious. The vet listened to her lungs and said they were clear. So we are at least relieved that she is not struggling to breathe. But the cough sounds terrible and she gets down on the floor to cough.

She was given a booster vaccine and I'd read how DMSO potentizes medications and we were worried, so we stopped adding the DMSO for 10 days after the vaccination but continued with the MMS. She is back having the DMSO as of today and we have fresh new bottles of the other ingredients as well. Mollie weighs 8.5 kg. and we had worked up her dosage to 9 drops + 9 drops, activating it, then adding in 4 ounces of ionised water, and then adding 27 drops of DMSO. Then we draw up 3ml into a syringe and put it onto a tiny bit of chicken on a saucer and she laps it up. She gets this 8 times a day on days when she and her mom are both at home. On days when they are at work Mollie gets a maintenance dose which is the same formula as above, but putting 1 tablespoon of the mixture onto her food twice a day. We found her a new brand of dry food that is much better for her as well and she likes it. Her appetite is fine, and her energy level, stools, habits, etc. are all good.

My friend is not seeing any results in the coughing which is more ferocious than when she first started Mollie on the protocols in December, so I hear her frustration. We are desperate to see some improvement in the coughing. Is there anything else we can do that we aren't doing? (other than doing hourly doses every day which she can't manage to do on the days when she's at work, and I can't help with as I live 2 hours away.) Could this inconsistency with dosing be the problem? Are there any other things you could recommend.?
Many thanks,
Gar

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08 Feb 2018 01:44 - 08 Feb 2018 01:45 #57535 by CLO2
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Mollie weighs 8.5 kg. and we had worked up her dosage to 9 drops + 9 drops, activating it, then adding in 4 ounces of ionised water, and then adding 27 drops of DMSO. Then we draw up 3ml into a syringe and put it onto a tiny bit of chicken on a saucer and she laps it up. She gets this 8 times a day on days when she and her mom are both at home.

So she is making a 9 drop dose of MMS1 which is added to 120 ml of water and then 27 drops of DMSO is added to that solution. Eight times a day, 3 ml of that 120 ml of solution is given to the dog.

Two things incorrect with the above. One is DMSO will kill CLO2 in a short time which is why DMSO must be added to each individual dose, and not to the 120 ml solution.

Second, only 24 ml of the 120 ml MMS1 solution is used each day. At the end of the day, the remaining MMS1 should be discarded. The MMS1 solution must be kept in a tightly capped bottle and only opened when a dose is being extracted to keep the loss of CLO2 to a minimum.

I have not checked the hourly dosage for an 8.5 kg dog with Jim's book, but I suspect the dog is getting a rather low dose.

2 ml of 3000 ppm original CDS equals a 1 drop MMS1 dose in a normal stomach
www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/mms1_equates_to_cdh_and_cds.pdf
Websites: MMSinfo.org * www.facebook.com/groups/ebolacures/
YouTube Instructional Videos: www.youtube.com/channel/UCXv6hCnvjMmGg4_AYq4wlNw
Answers to many questions are in Jim Humble's books: jhbooks.org/
How to use CDS, CDH in Protocols: www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/CDS_CDH_and_Protocols-2.pdf
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08 Feb 2018 03:35 #57537 by Garuth
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Hi CL02,
Thank you for your quick response. We make up each dose individually and after we give the dose we discard the rest. So the DMSO is given within one minute of the drops entering the 120 ml of MMS1 & water mixture, give it a quick stir, take up 3ml in the syringe and give it to her straight away. We don't keep the MMS1 around all day as we want everything to be as potent as possible. In terms of the 3ml dose, it did seem to me to be a small dose so I'm glad you think so too. I'm checking on page 294 and that tells me for Cup 2 it's an 8 drops MMS1 dose in 4oz (120ml) water. And below that it has d-C2 as drops from Cup2. Then on page 300 I'm on the 7th line 5.7-10kg weight of animal, going across to column 2, Protocol 1000 we started with the 1.5, then the 2.5 and now we are up to 3.0. (I thought the 2.0 was a typo as the line above was 1.5 - 2.5 - 4.0, so I assumed our line was at least 4.0. If you think that's correct that it should be 4.0 then we'll move her up from 3.0 to 4.0. Or indeed if I have any of the calculations wrong I'm eager to hear so I can get it right.

I had considered making up some CDH for convenience, but I thought it wasn't going to be quite as potent as making it from scratch each time, as you lose a bit of gas each time you open the bottle, so I didn't continue with that.

Thanks again for you help,
Gar

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