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Jim Humble Responds to Sarah Vaughter’s MMS Criticism at OwnDoc.com 14 Feb 2013 03:16 #30534

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Response to MMS Critic Sarah Vaughter at OwnDoc , by Jim Humble

In reading the writings of the various critics of MMS and myself (Jim Humble) I find that they often call me names rather than just report what they think are facts. In the case in point, Sarah Vaughter likes to resort to that when she can, such as calling me fraudster, ruthless thug, sleaze bag, and liar. As you have heard probably dozens, if not hundreds of times during your life time, is “what someone calls you is most likely what they themselves are because what they are is the most real thing to them.” From her article on her site I want here to just update her update of me. I’ll put this writing where she asks for comments but I know that she will erase it immediately; however I will also put it on my site called ‘MMSWorldCourt.’ (Update: We decided to set up an MMS Wiki instead.)

First, Sarah Vaughter keeps saying that MMS caused the death of many, but that simply doesn’t fly. If MMS caused the death of a single person anywhere in the world, nothing could make the FDA of the US, FDA of Canada, of England, Australia, New Zealand, of a dozen countries of Europe and a dozen others more than happy to issue warnings and arrest orders against me. Nowadays all deaths are reported, even in Africa and the reason for each death is always given and the reports sent to the appropriate governmental agency. There is no way of getting around reporting deaths, and in the case of MMS there are so many who really want to stop the idea that cancer can be cured for less than $50, there simply would be hundreds flittering around such a death. There has been no report anywhere in the world attributing a death to MMS. The one report near an Island near Australia was long ago disproven by the autopsy report and even the FDA who reported that incident had to quit using that incident as evidence that MMS is bad. There are 950,000 deaths resulting from Doctor’s prescriptions of medical drugs each year. Zero deaths reported for MMS.

HERE ARE SARAH VAUGHTER’S BASIC POINTS AGAINST ME EXACTLY AS SHE WROTE THEM:


Sarah Vaughter: 1. Humble claims that electron shells fully envelop covalently bonded molecules (or polyatomic ions). That is a gross misrepresentation of basic chemistry that nicely helps draw the wool over our eyes.

Jim Humble responds: No, i don’t claim that at all. And if you click and follow her link here in the sentence above you will find that it tells you nothing about what i am talking about. Chlorine dioxide (that’s mms) is known throughout industry as an oxidizer. Chlorine dioxide has been used in industry as an oxidizer to kill pathogens for over a hundred years. Oxidizers, all of them, draw away electrons from the thing that they oxidize. That is what oxidizing is, removing the electrons from the item that is being oxidized. There are 5 oxidizers that can be in the human body and only 5. That’s chlorine dioxide, oxygen, hydrogen peroxide, ozone, and chlorine. That’s all. They all attract electrons from other substances which is called oxidation, chlorine does it differently creating new compounds that can also be dangerous. When you remove electrons from a substance it is called “oxidation.” That’s what oxygen does. It keeps you alive by destroying the poisons generated by the function of living, or poisons that come in from outside the body. That is what oxygen does which includes the destruction of pathogens. Of the 4 oxidizers, chlorine dioxide (mms) is by far the weakest oxidizer that will ever be in the human body. It does not damage the body when used in extremely small amounts that is mms.


Sarah Vaughter: 2. Humble claims that by pulling some of the electrons out of their outer shells, that the entire molecule will disintegrate into separate atoms. That is nonsense for many reasons, one of them being the three dimensional electron orbital structure of molecules and hence the need of a lot of electron-pulling in many places simultaneously- impossible to do unless half of the blood serum would be replaced by MMS.

Jim Humble responds: The above #2 is one of the most ridiculous statements yet. I work with chemists to make it simple for all those of us who are not chemists. Sarah is simply making ridiculous statements that are lies. I am sorry to say that because i hate to ever call someone a liar. She simply cannot be that ignorant. I’m sorry about that. Oxygen makes your life possible because it oxidizes poisons, and it does that by attracting electrons from the poisons, thus destroying the poisons. Someone, i don’t care who they are, cannot make a statement such as above, “three dimensional electron orbital structure of molecules” without either knowing nothing about what they say, or simply lying to impress us with knowledge they don’t have. The subject isn’t all that complex for those of us who want to know what is going on. Oxygen destroys through oxidation thus keeping all animals alive. Each oxidizer in the body has a different oxidation voltage which determines what it can oxidize and what it cannot oxidize. In the three-dimensional statement above if what sarah is saying was true, then oxidation could not happen and all animals would die. It makes no sense except to confuse the issue for those of us who are not chemists, and that is obviously what sarah is trying to do. If it wasn’t obvious i’d say so, but it is just completely obvious sarah is deliberately trying to confuse the reader.


Sarah Vaughter: 3. Humble claims that part of the MMS “curing mechanism” involves the creation of free oxygen atoms, and that that free oxygen is totally harmless because “it can not oxidize things but become part of the water or carbon dioxide in the body”. This is complete nonsense. An oxygen atom will immediately destroy the first random molecule it comes into contact with – whether it be that of a pathogen or that of your body.

Jim Humble responds: Again i do not claim what she claims i claim. I never mention “free oxygen atoms.” I am trying to have my chemists make it easy for us. Oxygen comes into the body with a positive charge so that it attracts electrons which are negative, but once it attracts two electrons that oxygen atom is neutralized. If oxygen atoms were not neutralized you would never have to breath. But they are neutralized and thus you must take your next breath to replace the neutralized oxygen. That neutralized oxygen is breathed back out as we breath. It is called carbon dioxide. Do you get it? Dioxide means 2 atoms of oxygen, di meaning two. The dioxide that is breathed out is simply oxygen that is neutralized and cannot oxidize anything in the body and thus is useless to the body and must be breathed out. So the oxygen which i do not call free oxygen is already neutralized when it comes from being released by the chlorine dioxide and thus it cannot oxidize anything. Again her reference link that she provides proves what i say, not what sarah says.


Sarah Vaughter: 4. Then follows a claim on how oxygen “can’t do damage to the body”, because its oxidation strength is “only 0.95 volts”. This claim is patently false. Oxygen is very harmful – so harmful in fact that breathing pure oxygen for just a few hours will result in permanent brain damage due to central nervous system oxygen toxicity . Every ic ward nurse knows this, and adjusts the supply of supplemental oxygen such that the patient never breathes pure oxygen, or even 50% or 40% oxygen. The devices used are designed in a way that the patient can never breathe pure oxygen, because it would kill in less than a day. Under higher pressures than atmospheric pressure, oxygen can kill in minutes. Every nitrox scuba diver knows that. Even the 21% oxygen in our air damages our cells and tissues all the time, and our body has to repair that damage all the time. It has even been postulated that the oxygen in the air we breathe is a small contributor to causing lung cancer.

Jim Humble responds: In #4 above it looks like if she is going to call me a liar she would at least get the facts straight. It is chlorine dioxide that has an oxidation potential of 0.95 volts, not oxygen. Oxygen’s oxidation potential is 1.28 volts and for the body this is a huge difference. I am sure from high school chemistry you will remember that all substances are poisonous to the human body in large doses, it can be oxygen, or sugar, or apple juice, or cyanide, or water. There is no proof that oxygen harms the body but we all know that it will definitely kill the body if oxygen is withheld from the body. But why does this make me a liar? So let me rephrase the statement. Oxygen does much more good for the body than harm.


Sarah Vaughter: 5. Humble also says that the Chlorine split off by his carcinogenic concoction is nothing to worry about, because it “turns into harmless table salt by combining with Sodium in the body”. Well, no. There is no free Sodium (Na+) in the body for the Chlorine atom to attach to. Instead, it will severely damage the nearest protein molecule or DNA strand or anything else it touches.

Jim Humble responds: In reference to # 5 above, i hope that all of you know what sodium chloride is. That is table salt. Any time you sprinkle salt on you food and then eat, that salt enters your body and dissolves into sodium and chloride. The dissolving of sodium chloride in water means that sodium becomes separate from the chloride. In other words free sodium and chloride. Without free sodium in your body you would be dead. Are you seeing it yet? Sarah’s knowledge of chemistry is totally lacking and she is saying things that anyone with a high school diploma knows is false.


Sarah Vaughter: 6. Humble claims that there is a big difference between the proteins in bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites and in the proteins in our bodies. He says that MMS kills only the proteins in the pathogens, but not in our bodies. But he is wrong. There is no such fundamental difference. All proteins react the same to free radicals.

Jim Humble responds: In # 6 above, i never ever claimed that the protein in bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites is different than our body. I never mentioned it, but it is pretty much obvious. All of those things die at a temperature of more than 130 degrees f., But the human body which is made of a great deal of protein does not die at 130 degrees, so the protein must be different to some extent. And in fact all those things can be killed with a very short exposure to ultraviolet light, but the human body can take the same amount of ultraviolet light that would kill those bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites for an indefinite time. Prove it to yourself. Go out and stand in the sun for ½ hour. If it doesn’t kill you, you have just proven it as ½ hour in the sunlight gives enough ultraviolet radiation to kill any bacteria, virus, fungus, or parasite.


This was a response to
Sarah Vaughter of OwnDoc.com at owndoc.com/candida-albicans/miracle-mineral-solution-scam/

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Jim Humble Responds to Sarah Vaughter’s MMS Criticism at OwnDoc.com 14 Feb 2013 20:10 #30553

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i suppose Jim was writing his reply while on his yacht with his diamond encrusted gold pen (sarcasm). really this woman is too much to bear she has written an article full of lies, half truths and obfuscation and may well be responsible for people dying when they could be saved by putting them off trying the health sacraments. I notice she has lots of things to sell though most of which are over priced rubbish
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Jim Humble Responds to Sarah Vaughter’s MMS Criticism at OwnDoc.com 18 Apr 2017 06:33 #55444

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To the Reader,

I know that Humble has already responded to this article, but someone on a Facebook group I am a member of Posted it after I stated that MMS proponents, such as myself, needed to be more open to hearing stories of people for whom MMS had not helped. I pointed out that this was other than such a story, but that I would look at the argicle, do research and get back to him. In the course of my research I came across this response but I had already written (unbemownst to me the length) over 20+ pages of text. I posted my response a few days ago, but I also wanted to share it with all of You in the hope that it might help someone else who had come across this article or a similar one, and was struggling.

Response directly below:

To the Reader,

I know that Humble has already responded to this article, but someone on a Facebook group I am a member of Posted it after I stated that MMS proponents, such as myself, needed to be more open to hearing stories of people for whom MMS had not helped. I pointed out that this was other than such a story, but that I would look at the argicle, do research and get back to him. In the course of my research I came across this response but I had already written (unbemownst to me the length) over 20+ pages of text. I posted my response a few days ago, but I also wanted to share it with all of You in the hope that it might help someone else who had come across this article or a similar one, and was struggling.

Response directly below:


To the Reader,

I know that Humble has already responded to this article, but someone on a Facebook group I am a member of Posted it after I stated that MMS proponents, such as myself, needed to be more open to hearing stories of people for whom MMS had not helped. I pointed out that this was other than such a story, but that I would look at the argicle, do research and get back to him. In the course of my research I came across this response but I had already written (unbemownst to me the length) over 20+ pages of text. I posted my response a few days ago, but I also wanted to share it with all of You in the hope that it might help someone else who had come across this article or a similar one, and was struggling.

Response directly below:

Review of Article

Part 1. Article is in quotes with three stars acting as an indentation and reference mark.

Me: ===> Article Begins :

Sara Vaughter: *** “MMS is Sodium chlorite, a common form of household bleach, a toxic industrial disinfectant, a powerful oxidant (= free radical) that causes cancer when ingested in small quantities and massive organ damage or death when taken in significant quantities. There also is a "MMS2", containing another form of bleach, used to scrub swimming pools' walls for disinfection (it's not added to the actual water because it would make people sick).” ****

Me: ===> Introduction: A Joint Kalcker/Maanum hypothesis:
Oxidants, and MMS=Chlorine Dioxide/Chlorite Matrix have been misunderstood from the start. Oxidation is an important part of the body’s detoxification process, as will be explained later.Household bleach is a Chlorinator, MMS, when fully produced with an activator, is an oxidator. MMS works through 3 pathways*†‡. It works by changing Mitochondrial polarization via its resonant and paramagnetic properties (Chlorine Dioxide). It causes mitohormesis, mildly stressing mitochondria and provoking a response that actually strengthens the organism as a whole(Chlorine Dioxide), and it works by actually strengthening the Mitochondria through the Krebs Cycle aka the Citric Acid Cycle (Through the Stabilized Chlorite Matrix produced by MMS Creation).
*https://youtu.be/rj5XjATNHuw
†http://www.phaelosopher.com/2012/09/23/in-his-own-words-the-chlorite-matrix-2/
‡http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(14)00017-5
★ Possible Autism Application, in the restoration of positive oxidation and removal of overly stressing Thimerosal toxins : www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19307255

Me: ===> For the first :

[[[
{{{ For many years, mitochondria were viewed as semiautonomous organelles, required only for cellular energetics. This view has been largely supplanted by the concept that mitochondria are fully integrated into the cell and that mitochondrial stresses rapidly activate cytosolic signaling pathways that ultimately alter nuclear gene expression. Key Quote: “Remarkably, this coordinated response to mild mitochondrial stress appears to leave the cell less susceptible to subsequent perturbations. This response, termed mitohormesis, is being rapidly dissected in many model organisms.” A fuller understanding of mitohormesis promises to provide insight into our susceptibility for disease and potentially provide a unifying hypothesis for why we age.

Key Quote: “One of the best-described mechanisms for mitochondrial communication with its cellular host is through the release of ROS(ROS stands for Reactive Oxygen Species, my note). We have already discussed several examples in which mitochondrial ROS act as downstream effector molecules. Indeed, oxidants in general (Finkel, 2011), and mitochondrial oxidants in particular (Finkel, 2012), can function in numerous signaling pathways. These include diverse processes such as the regulation of cytosolic stress kinases (Kamata et al., 2005), modulation of hypoxic signaling (Chandel et al., 1998), and activation of macroautophagy (Scherz-Shouval et al., 2007).” Key Quote: “Several recent examples suggest that mitochondrial oxidants are active participants in mitohormesis.”

Key Quote worth repeating and expanding: “Several recent examples suggest that mitochondrial oxidants are active participants in mitohormesis. One of the first clear examples came from studies in which glucose metabolism was impaired either pharmacologically by exposing worms to 2-deoxy-D-glucose (2DG) or by simply restricting glucose availability (Schulz et al., 2007). Both maneuvers resulted in an extension of lifespan.”

Key Quote: “This is supported by some human experimentation in which physical exercise is viewed as a stress and where the salutary benefits of exercise appeared to be inhibited in those subjects given antioxidant supplements (Gomez-Cabrera et al., 2008, Ristow et al., 2009).”

Could other effective man-made drugs represent examples of such a strategy? One potential candidate might be the widely used antidiabetic drug metformin that is thought to work by inhibiting mitochondrial function (Owen et al., 2000). Could the known beneficial effects of this agent for both diabetes and cancer prevention (Franciosi et al., 2013) be through a hormetic mechanism? Although this mechanism to our knowledge has not been suggested, evidence in both lower organisms and mice suggest that treatment with metformin induces an increase in oxidant defenses as well as an extension of lifespan (Martin-Montalvo et al., 2013, Onken and Driscoll, 2010). Key Quote: “Does this agent therefore represent the first example of exploiting hormesis to broadly treat a range of age-related diseases and even aging itself? Will other molecules emerge that gently perturb mitochondrial function and generate a mitohormetic signal that results in abroad therapeutic benefit? Will these molecules represent an entirely new approach for how we treat various diseases, and as such, are we now on the verge of a new era of therapy and understanding?” Or, perhaps, after 2,000 years, we have simply rediscovered the ancient secret of King Mithridates VI. }}}
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Jim Humble Responds to Sarah Vaughter’s MMS Criticism at OwnDoc.com 18 Apr 2017 06:34 #55445

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On Chlorine Dioxide:
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{{{ MMS, which starts its life as a form of unprocessed salt, sodium chlorite (NaClO2), appears to be converted into an ionized form when dissolved in water after the acid “activator” is introduced. Key Quote: “If Mark’s statement above is correct, it looks like the body has a need for the ionic chloride as well as the oxygen that has been liberated from the sodium, a metabolic “win/win” situation.”

Key Quote: “It could also be that, since the salts are unprocessed, additional minerals, which are oftentimes processed out as “impurities,” may be metabolically active in a significant and beneficial way. This is conjecture on my part, but the positive results that people have reported can’t continue to be dismissed away.” }}}
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Ref.
www.phaelosopher.com/2011/03/08/sircus-on-mms-a-response/

Me: ===> Quote :

{{{ Chlorides which, according to Dr. Mu Shik Jhon’s The Water Puzzle and the Hexagonal Key, are structure-breaking (as in water) ions. Magnesium is also among the elements that tend to break down the hexagonal structure in water clusters, to a pentagonal order. This doesn’t make either of them “bad”. Key Quote: “Indeed, we can’t have life without either, and cannot have health if they are not both present, in proper balance and proportion. When both oxygen (O2) and magnesium (Mg) bind with chlorine ions, beneficial things happen in the body.” }}}
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www.phaelosopher.com/2011/03/08/sircus-on-mms-a-response/

Me:===> The Importance of the Chlorite Matrix:
[[[
{{{ Key Quote: “The importance in all this is in the fact that the chlorite matrix (ClO2-) is a vital and necessary ingredient in the proper functioning of the Krebs Cycle, which is routinely compromised by the preponderance of nutrient deficient and chemically processed products that we consume or are exposed to.” Just take a shower each day and you prove my point. Vaccines, genetic engineering, fracking, “smart meters,” and many other “technological advancements” exacerbate an already dicey situation, health-wise. In MMS, as originally formulated, Jim Humble gave us a way to economically produce the chlorite matrix (ClO2-). }}}
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Ref.
www.google.com/amp/www.phaelosopher.com/...eficial-results/amp/

Me: ===> What is the Chlorite Matrix? :

The Phaelosoher, Adam Abraham, quoting Chemist Grant Maanum who used MMS to recover his health after Industrial Chlorine Dioxide exposure† on The Chlorite Matrix:
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{{{ The modern term is “Citric Acid Cycle”, and the importance of that citric acid is prioritized. There are complex events taking place within all cells due to the ongoing actions of that cycle, but the important part is the production and discharge of the energies which “fire” the various “Voltage-Gated Ion Channels” contained within each.

Key Quote worth repeating: “The modern term is “Citric Acid Cycle”, and the importance of that citric acid is prioritized. There are complex events taking place within all cells due to the ongoing actions of that cycle, but the important part is the production and discharge of the energies which “fire” the various “Voltage-Gated Ion Channels” contained within each.”
(Note: Please also see Chart in original article.)

There are different strengths and different speeds of energies coming from different Element decays, and there also are “sub units” of energies produced.

Key Quote: “These energy discharges do not occur by happenstance; they are part of the Natural Human Design.–AA”

The energy discharge created by the specific decay rates of the elements involved, is actually aimed at the specific voltage gated channel that it passes through.

Key Quote: “Please appreciate the Intelligence and singular intent that orders these complex operations. Then consider the arrogant intent that results in mucking them up. The good news is that what has been put asunder, can be restored to order. A body that has been orchestrated and manipulated into ill-health, can be healthy once again. –AA”

Key Quote: “The Channels, such as the Potassium channels, the Chlorine channels, and the Calcium Channels are targeted due to designed “Communication” between the energy source, and the energy “target” at the channel’s opening. The targets are smears of Amino Acid.”

Of the 22 standard amino acids, 20 are coded, in essence, “written,” by the universal genetic code. Want to change the message? Change the amino acids. Inadvertently change the amino acids, change the health. Key Quote: Intentionally change the amino acids, destroy the health. Restore the standard amino acids specified within the genetic code, restore the health.

Eight of those twenty-two amino acids are essential to human life, and can ONLY be taken in through proper diet. Most important to this discussion, are the 5 positive or negative electrically charged amino acids, and that it is known that the “Alpha” amino acids communicate with Beta- Decay Energy sources.

Considering the energy, sodium decay produces ~20% of the energy produced by Potassium decay in paired discharge, then Potassium produces five fold that energy, in paired discharge. The Potassium decay is VERY powerful, and will “jump-start” the impaired or dormant voltage gated channel.

Key Quote: “This is where the Chlorite Matrix enters.

The “Chlorite Matrix” is a solution made with Sodium Chlorite, and usually Citric Acid. Other acid, such as Acetic, Lactic, Humic, and Ascorbic can be substituted.”
….
Per my research involving Sodium Chlorite/Citric Acid (or Acetic Acid) produced ClO2 Emission Spectroscopy, the only difference produced by using different acid reagents, is the total time of “survival moment” of the Chlorine Dioxide molecule which was produced by the Sodium Chlorite/Citric Acid reaction. The breakup of the Chlorine Dioxide molecule is important.”

IMPORTANT

In order for the Chlorite Matrix to produce the expected results, the Sodium Chlorite MUST BE Sodium CHLORITE, and the Citric Acid MUST BE PURE and from a NATURAL SOURCE.
...
Key Quote: “There are several versions of the Chlorite Matrix which are well-known. Beginning with the earliest (1984) published work (so far), the Sarin et al work with his chlorite matrix is continually referred to by Authors of related papers, and that Chlorite Matrix invention is now protected by Dr. Friedrich W. Kuhne of OXO CHEMIE AG, Switzerland.”

That evidence exists within the Patentstorm registered 6086922 “WF10” chlorite matrix based compound’s four patents. I recommend that you search Sarin et al Chlorite Matrix, and read it five times. Print it out. Pass it out. Mag it to your fridge.

Key Quote: “Within that international patent, there are the results regarding the use of that Chlorite Matrix based WF10 in HUMAN TRIALS is there. The science is well represented, and the results are clearly stated. The WF10, administered by injection, successfully “cured/ended” the HIV/AIDS issue with regard to the four HIV/AIDS infected volunteers. The numbers regarding the return of T cell, NK cells, and ATP production are stated, along with the 9-week long WF10 administration process that was required.” }}}
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Jim Humble Responds to Sarah Vaughter’s MMS Criticism at OwnDoc.com 18 Apr 2017 06:35 #55446

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Π===>Sara Vaughter: *** “MMS is Sodium Chlorite,” ****

Π===> Me:===> This Is Half of the equation, qnd is a correct statement within itself. However, MMS involves more than simply Sodium Chlorite. A 22.4% Sodium Chloride solution is combined with 50% Citric acid solution to form Chlorine Dioxide and a Stabilized Chlorite Matrix.

Sara Vaughter: *** “A common household bleach...” ****

Π===> Me: ===> It is not used in the same way or at the same strength as Common Household bleach.

Me: ===> It is also different than common household Clorox Bleach. I refer again to the Lenntech article, with reference given below:
[[[
{{{ Key Quote on Chlorine Dioxide(CLO2): “These comparisons suggest that chlorine dioxide is reduced to chloride, and that during this reaction it accepts 5 electrons. The chlorine atom remains, until stable chloride is formed. This explains why no chlorinated substances are formed.” Key Quote on Diatomic Chlorine(Cl2): When chlorine reacts it does not only accept electrons; it also takes part in addition and substitution reactions. During these reactions, one or more chlorine atoms are added to the foreign substance. }}}
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Π===> Me:===> As the Company Lenntech also points out:
[[[
{{{Key Quote on Chlorine Dioxide(ClO2): “Chlorine dioxide disinfects through oxidation. It is the only biocide that is a molecular free radical. It has 19 electrons and has a preference for substances that give off or take up an electron. Chlorine dioxide only reacts with substances that give off an electron.” Key Quote on Diatomic Chlorine(Cl2): “Chlorine, oppositely, adds a chlorine atom to or substitutes a chlorine atom from the substance it reacts with.”
….
Does chlorine dioxide form chlorinated disinfection byproducts?
….
The use of chlorine dioxide instead of chlorine prevents the formation of harmful halogenated disinfection byproducts, for example trihalomethanes and halogenated acidic acids. Key Quote: Chlorine dioxide does not react with ammonia nitrogen, amines or other oxidizable organic matter. Chlorine dioxide removes substances that can form trihalomethanes and improves coagulation. It does not oxidize bromide into bromine. When bromide containing water is treated with chlorine or ozone, bromide is oxidized into bromine and hypobromous acid. After that these react with organic material to form brominated disinfection byproducts, for example bromoform.}}}
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Ref.
Read more: www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/...de.htm#ixzz4dt0u61Dq

Notes:
† Phaelosopher:
Jim Humble’s MMS recipe is closely aligned with several that were uncovered by Grant Maanum, of Kamloops, British Columbia, which are proven not only to be harmless, but radically therapeutic. These methods specifically called for and produced the chlorite matrix, not chlorine dioxide.(It is believed by the author that Chlorine Dioxide is also formed because of Sodium Chlorate present in half of the MMS solution, and the small amount of Chlorate that is a byproduct of Chlorine Dioxide Breakdown).
† Phaelosopher:
Thanks to Grant I am beginning to see new questions to ask, based on his 10+ years of study. The town where he lives is one of the largest producers of industrial chlorine dioxide in the world. He has experienced, first hand, both the harmful effects of (industrial, my note) chlorine dioxide (ClO2) toxicity and the curative/restorative effects of the chlorite matrix (ClO2-)(MMS, my note).*

Me:===> Chlorine Dioxide is present in the MMS Chlorite Matrix as well:

If there is absolutely NO sodium chlorate (NaClO3-) present in your source material, then you’re good to go. If there is, then chlorine dioxide will be present too.

*https://www.phaelosopher.com/2012/09/20/mms-no-desire-for-drama-just-beneficial-results/

*https://www.phaelosopher.com/2011/06/04/slammers-can-come-and-go-mms-roles-on/

Sara Vaughter: *** “...a toxic industrial chemical” ****

Me:===> This will be responded to by direct quotes below, with sources, in triple brackets:

Point 1a.
Me:===> On Industrial Chlorine Dioxide:
[[[
{{{Key Quote: “The published toxicological data about chlorine dioxide were produced with a specific application in mind; i.e., large-scale pathogen eradication, which require large-scale concentrations of chlorine dioxide. These concentrations are too high for human use. Given that internal human use had never been considered in spite of chlorine dioxide’s fundamental behavior, it was rightfully deemed hazardous, and left at that.”

However, Jim Humble has now upset that applecart. Given what we have learned since he came on the scene, the “hazard” must be a qualified one because, far from being “toxic” unto itself (such as chloroform), chlorine dioxide is actually beneficial for its ability to safely reduce the active toxic load that an individual may be carrying.

Key Quote: “I believe that day is coming, but not without additional examination of present-day thinking that has become outmoded. Critics and pundits who bash MMS cite a litany of allegations based on outmoded, but still current thinking on chlorine dioxide.”}}}
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www.phaelosopher.com/2010/11/19/mms-succ...oxide-understanding/

Me:===> On the Idea All Chlorine is Harmful:
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{{{An impression is given that any chlorine is “bleach,” and therefore, dangerously harmful. Yet, chlorine, or its ionic component, chloride, is necessary for many metabolic activities. You can’t get a chloride without chlorine.

It goes even deeper. Take a look at chlorine ion levels – one of the electrolytes that the body needs – in blood plasma and interstitial fluids.
(Please see chart in original article, my note).
Looks like chloride ions are important when converted to a form that is bio-beneficial. Results might give us a better clue than fears over what might happen.}}}
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www.phaelosopher.com/2011/03/08/sircus-on-mms-a-response/

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Sara Vaughter: *** “...that actually causes cancer…” ****

Me: ===>Same procedure, different source:

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Cancer:
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{{{ Key Quote:“4.1.5 Carcinogenicity
Tumours were not observed in rats following 2-year exposures to chlorine dioxide in
drinking-water, although it should be noted that this study is over 50 years old and has
serious limitations (Haag, 1949).”

“The effect of sodium chlorite in drinking-water at 0, 1, 2, 4, 8, 100 or 1000 mg/litre on the survival and postmortem pathology of albino rats (seven per sex per dose) was examined in a 2-year study. The life span of the animals was not significantly affected at any dose.”
Ref.
World Health Organization Report: Chlorite and Chlorate in Drinking Water}}}
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Me:===> Quote 2:
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{{{ Being a nutritionist and having a chemist as a husband doesn’t appear to be enough for Vaughter to get her very bold and false statements in order.

She says that sodium chlorite is a common form of household bleach, a toxic industrial disinfectant, and powerful oxidant that caused cancer when ingested in small quantities and massive organ damage when taken in significant quantities.

Neither of these factors apply to MMS. The ingestion amounts are miniscule, highly diluted, using no more than a few drops at a time; scaled down to levels that allows the oxidation/disinfection to be done safely and effectively. This is very different from what is inferred in Vaughter’s article.

Key Quote: “Acknowledging that there have been precious few reports of harm caused by MMS use, she moves to Humble himself, and does her best to turn the man into a cartoon character.”

As though the word “bleach” were the secret word that, by hypnotic suggestion, produces a psychological gag reflex, she applies it liberally, as have so many others who find the ideas associated with chlorine dioxide disinfection, i.e., dramatic improvements in health, so hard to swallow. }}}
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*** “(The FDA states…)The FDA said this about Miracle Mineral Supplement:
"The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health. The product instructs consumers to mix the 28 percent sodium chlorite solution with an acid such as citrus juice. This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment. High oral doses of this bleach, such as those recommended in the labeling, can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and symptoms of severe dehydration."” °°°°

Me: ===> The FDA has become corrupt, and medicine has been corrupt for a long time, here are some basic resources explaining that claim and providing evidence for it:
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www.whale.to/vaccine/fda1.html

www.whale.to/a/bealle.htm }}}
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Me: ===> For Two Specific Examples of FDA’s corruption in the MMS case and General Double Standard, the following will be helpful in illustrating this :

Me: ===> 1.)
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{{{ On FDA Corruption in the Daniel Smit MMS Case:

No Warning Letter ever issued from the FDA for any product carried by PGL, including MMS.

However, in 2010, PGL’s attorney, Nancy Lord, M.D., was contacted by the FDA following a surprise “regulatory inspection” in which the agency related their dislike for the product based upon claims by FDA science officers that would later prove by experts to be false. The FDA “asked” PGL to conduct a “voluntary recall” of all MMS.

Key Quote: “As a precautionary measure, and in an effort to avoid retaliation by the agency, PGL effected the “voluntarily recall.”

Shortly after, PGL underwent a reorganization into a private member association. Prior to the reorganization, Daniel wrote the FDA and asked if they had any legal valid objection to their making their products available to private members under the First Amendment Right of Association clause. The letter was sent to multiple FDA officials stating clearly that PGL would do so only if the FDA had no objection. The FDA provided no objection leading PGL to believe they had none.”

Key Quote: “Rather than be forthcoming, FDA agents began sneaking around Daniel’s home and other properties taking photos, going through trash, and attaching warrantless GPS devices to vehicles.” Daniel would later learn that the FDA was creating a dossier for the purpose of convincing a federal magistrate to issue seizure warrants to allow the FDA to seize all of PGL’s assets.

It would not be until late June of 2011 when armed federal agents came from all over the country to take part in a well-organized raid of three locations: Daniel’s home, a bottling facility, and a fulfillment company. The FDA also raided Daniel’s and the Association’s bank accounts, effectively putting PGL out of business in a single day.

Key Quote: “Surely if the FDA had a valid legal objection or were genuinely concerned about people’s use of MMS, they would have answered PGL’s letter, rather than sit by while PGL made MMS available to its members for another year, all the while secretly planning the raids.”

FDA’s Goal: Make an Example of Daniel and Teach the Health Freedom Movement that Nobody Stands Up to the FDA. }}}
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Me: ===> 2.) A more general outline of the situation :
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{{{ This Preview will bring you up to speed about a decade-long, Federal-storm-trooper assault on a humble, caring soul who sought only to help disease-stricken fellow humans worldwide.

Why Daniel Smith has become a hero for tens of thousands of suffering people throughout the globe: Daniel founded Project Green Life (PGL), an alternative health association that made the first professional grade MMS (Master Mineral Solution) ~ making it available in over 160 countries between 2007 and 2011.

Key Quote: “Out of the blue the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) began warning Daniel that they wanted the distribution of MMS to stop - immediately. Following legal consultation, Daniel wrote the FDA explaining how MMS was improving the health of multitudes around the world and asked them why they were making this demand. Silence. Daniel sent the document again. Continued silence. Daniel repeated a third time.

Rather than responding, the FDA initiated a year-long clandestine reconnaissance mission for the purpose of secretly securing search and seizure warrants aimed at putting PGL out of business in one fail swoop.” It became obvious that this pursuit by the FDA was another example of a plethora of similar militant assaults on other Alternative Health companies and practitioners and in truth was a part of the agency's ongoing war against health freedom. In Daniel’s case they threatened him with 38 years in a Federal prison figuring Daniel would immediately close Project Green Life and thus block the distribution of MMS ever again.

Key Quote: “Even though hundreds of users of MMS wrote the FDA declaring praises for the efficacy of MMS the FDA continued and intensified their unconstitutional actions. Daniel was arrested and charged with six felonies along with his wife and two employees. For what you ask? Helping people to get well.(He was arrested in his own home in front of his little girl, my note).”

Key Quote: “Following a mockery of a trial in which Daniel was forbidden by the Judge to put on a defense he was convicted and sentenced to 51 months in a Federal Penitentiary. Even with this travesty-of-justice punishment the Prosecutor argued with the Judge demanding Daniel be sentenced to Life in Prison.”

As you look through this fact-filled blog (StandByDaniel.com) you’ll suspect a scheming collusion between the FDA and gigantic International Pharmaceutical entities. Daniel was portrayed as a conniving, evil, greedy Snake-Oil profiteer. One Federal employee even said, "I consider you a Domestic Terrorist!" Really? C’mon. Get real.

Truth is stranger than fiction. Right? This blog ~ StandByDaniel.com ~ will answer this query.
Please watch MMS on Trial: A message from Jim Humble (YouTube):


Please watch StandByDaniel.com (YouTube video link): }}}
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Ref.
standbydaniel.com

Me: ===> 2.)
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{{{ To get an “inside view” of how the FDA works, below is a response letter from Laura Tarantino, Director of the Office of Food Additive Safety, to a proposal by Engelhard Corporation for approval to market a misting system that, using one of two methods, would generate and spray chlorine dioxide on produce on your grocery store shelves. (Click here to read the entire letter.)

At issue was the GRAS (“generally recognized as safe”) status of this “additive”. With it, Engelhard would be able to market the system; without it, they would not.

Since an extension of shelf-life would result from the process, the FDA interpreted the proposed application of chlorine dioxide by the Engelhard system in the context of a preservative—a stretch, in my opinion. Nonetheless, they concluded thusly:

Key Quote: “Based on the information provided by Engelhard, as well as other information available to FDA, the agency has no questions at this time regarding Engelhard’s conclusion that chlorine dioxide generated by either of their two CSR systems is GRAS under the intended conditions of use.—Laura Tarantino, Ph.D. (FDA)

This exchange happened in April, 2005, well before Jim Humble emerged on the scene to suggest that we look at the potential of chlorine dioxide in a different context.”

Key Quote: “Instead of acknowledging the known merits of chlorine dioxide after the good news continued to pile up, the agency went the other way, issuing their warning against MMS use in August, 2010.” }}}
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www.phaelosopher.com/2011/06/04/slammers...and-go-mms-roles-on/

Me: ===> Jim Humble has also responded to this charge, and this from one of the author's own sources :
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{{{ The FDA just recently issued a warning against MMS


Key Quote: “They did not conduct tests, refer to the actual chemistry, or consult with experts. Instead, they listened to several reports from individuals who 'thought that they might have had a bad reaction from MMS'. The FDA did nothing more than respond to these allegations, according to their own report. What about the thousands of reports of benefit from MMS users?” }}}
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Sara Vaughter: *** “Jim Humble disagrees and claims the active ingredient in MMS is Chlorine dioxide, but that's a toxic gas, not a mineral.”

Me: ===> This claim will also be explained by quoting directly from the relevant literature:
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{{{ One of the most important qualities of chlorine dioxide is its high water solubility, especially in cold water. Chlorine dioxide does not hydrolyze when it enters water; it remains a dissolved gas in solution. }}}


Lenntech Chlorine Dioxide as a Disinfectant
Ref.
Read more: www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/...de.htm#ixzz4drPyYHoJ

Also:
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{{{ If you activate chlorine dioxide in concentrations for what have been its traditional uses, the gas will indeed be “hazardous.” However, in comparatively minute concentrations, it can be highly therapeutic. }}}
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Ref.
www.phaelosopher.com/2010/11/19/mms-succ...oxide-understanding/

Me: ===> Some Evidence for this claim:

Title: Protective effect of low-concentration chlorine dioxide gas against influenza A virus infection.
[[[
{{{3.2. Chlorine Dioxide Gas
In addition to the Cleverin solution, we focused on the potent virucidal activity of ClO2 gas, and are extending unique research activities to confirm its efficacy and also to elucidate its mechanism of action. Key Quote: “As to the infection of in-fluenza virus, we used an animal (mice) model of infection experiment, and found that ClO2 gas far below the eight hour average weighted mean exposure level (0.1 ppm) defined by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA, U.S.A.) suppressed the infection of influenza virus A [32].” We housed 15 mice (CD-1) in a semi-closed cage, and introduced ClO2 gas (final average concentration: 0.032 ppm)for 15 minutes simultaneously introducing the aerosol of influenza virus strain A/PR/8/34 (H1N1) (approximately 1 LD50) generated by a nebulizer (treated group). As the con-trol group, fresh air instead of ClO2 gas was introduced. Three days later, we picked up five mice and measured the pulmonary virus titer (TCID50). In the control group, TCID50 was 6.7 ± 0.2 log (mean ± SD), while in the treated group, it
was significantly reduced to 2.6 ± 1.5 log (P = 0.003, Table 5). Key Quote: “Also, when we compared the mortality of the remaining ten mice until day 16, in the control group, it was 7/10 (number of dead animals/total number of animals), whereas, in the treated group, it was significantly reduced to 0/10 (P = 0.002, Table 5).” From these results, it was suggested that as low as 0.03 ppm of ClO2 gas prevented the influenza infec-tion in the mouse model. In addition to this animal model, a retrospective human study revealed that the low concentration ClO2 gas decreased the cumulative absenteeism of primary school children [35]. When three Cleverin-Gs were placed in a primary school classroom (space volume 230 m3) for the purpose deodoriza-tion (0.01-0.03 ppm), in classes where Cleverin-G was not placed, the cumulative absenteeism rate during 38 consecu-tive days was 4.0%, while it was reduced to 1.5% in a class-room where Cleverin-Gs were placed (P < 0.00001, Table 6). The primary reason of absenteeism was cold or influenza. Key Quote: “From these experiments, it was suggested that the low con-centration of ClO2 gas prevented the infection of influenza in a semi-closed space.” }}}
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Ref.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18089729
Note:
Full PDF available online.

Sara Vaughter: *** “Jim Humble disagrees and claims the active ingredient in MMS is Chlorine dioxide, but that's a toxic gas, not a mineral. A mineral is a naturally occurring substance that is solid and stable at room temperature. Chlorine dioxide is thus not a mineral at all.” °°°°

Sara Vaughter: *** ”A mineral is a naturally occurring substance that is solid and stable at room temperature. Chlorine dioxide is thus not a mineral at all.” °°°°

Me: ===> That is not the definition Wikipedia, which is this individual's source, gives. :
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{{{ A mineral is a naturally occurring chemical compound,[1] usually of crystalline form and abiogenic in origin. A mineral has one specific chemical composition, whereas a rock can be an aggregate of different minerals or mineraloids. The study of minerals is called mineralogy.

Minerals are distinguished by various chemical and physical properties. Differences in chemical composition and crystal structure distinguish the various species, which were determined by the mineral's geological environment when formed. Changes in the temperature, pressure, or bulk composition of a rock mass cause changes in its minerals. }}}
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Ref.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral

Me: ===> Minerals can be dissolvable. Salt dissolves in water and is a mineral, and there are trace mineral drops, as 2 examples. If they couldn’t, we would be in big trouble. As has been established, Sodium Chlorite is a mineral, a type of Salt, and below it is shown that Chloride and Sodium Chloride is the Final product. :

The following may help you, the reader, understand why this name might have been chosen:
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{{{ Chlorine dioxide, chlorate and chlorite dissociate into sodium chloride (NaCl)

The following comparisons show what happens when chlorine dioxide reacts. First, chlorine dioxide takes up an electron and reduces to chlorite:
ClO2 + e- ® ClO2-

The chlorite ion is oxidized and becomes a chloride ion:
ClO2- + 4H+ + 4e- ® Cl- + 2H2O. }}}
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Read more: www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/...de.htm#ixzz4drk657he
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Read more: www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/...de.htm#ixzz4drgsT0lQ

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Me:===> ===> Humble actually purposefully called his invention MMS, and a Miracle Mineral Solution/Miracle Mineral Supplement, because he wanted to get ridiculed, so that no one would take him seriously, so that he could build a grassroots movement of healing people without getting killed by the darker forces In this world, the Author’s of Our Present Conflicts. Since then he has renamed it the Master Mineral Solution, so that all people might know its helping properties for a wide variety of Diseases.

He had good reason to, as the following quote about Dr. William Loch demonstrates:
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{{{ Medical doctor, Professor of chemistry, histology and physiology. Inventor of "Glyoxylide catalyst" cure for cancer. Sued by FDA but was acquitted after 600 doctors testified in his favour. Died of poisoning, 1967….. "One death from poisoning, and one from being run down by an automobile, both victims being physicinas of distinction and prominent in the advocacy of the Koch treatment. Mail has been opened...Dr. Koch himself was the target of at least 13 unsuccessful attempts on his life."--M. Layne. }}}
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